--UPDATE-- In light of Christine from Hatch's announcement of a reduction to a flat $3 broker fee, I've updated in a new comment here. Treat the direct comparison of $ below as incorrect (once Hatch update their pricing). --Old Text-- I decided to undertake a fees comparison of the two platforms as Stake is launching on Tuesday. Comparing Hatch and Stake, the long and short of it is:
If you are buying more than 1.00 shares and less than 400 share units, you will be on $8/transaction fee. So including the 0.5% FX fee, the break-even point where Hatch fees are cheaper is about $1600 in 1 transaction. Above this, Hatch is cheaper. Below this, Stake is cheaper.
If you only buy fractional shares (less than 1.00 share units per transaction, eg you can buy 0.99 shares for USD$3) then the break-even point is $600 per transaction. Above this, Hatch is cheaper, below Stake is cheaper. For this to apply you'd have to be buying into something like Amazon where the share price is $2k/share, so this comparison is kind of meaningless. Most companies are under $600 so you'd be buying more than 1.00 share units.
If you buy fractional shares into say 3 companies per FX transfer, total fees are $9/transfer, then the break-even point is about $1900 (below Stake is better, above Hatch is better)
If you are are a typical routine investor doing small DCA every fortnight or month or whatever, buying into multiple companies with each deposit, Stake will win every time because of zero broker fees.
Most people will do the latter and be DCA in to a lot of smaller companies so Stake will end up being a lot cheaper on the buy-in. https://imgur.com/a/wkuiIl1 Comparing to US based companies, assuming you use Transferwise to deposit into a US bank account and there is no fee to transfer from the US account to their service, Transferwise appear to get a 0.6% better FOREX rate than Hatch did when I just checked - Transferwise was $0.6067 vs Hatch $0.6029 (I'm assuming the Hatch FOREX rate will be similar to Stake, can't check atm as I don't have a Stake account until Tuesday). So the break-even point for using Transferwise at current FOREX rates is about $250 (below Stake is better, above Transferwise is better), excluding IBKTD Ameritrade fees (TDA have no broker fees currently). Hatch will allow USD transfer but only if you email them so I don't think you can use this as your regular deposit strategy. One thing to consider with IBKTD Amertrade is they are US companies who are not at all interested in your NZ tax requirements so will not help you at all in the process. Customer support will be harder to get, and using Transferwise is not a trivial process especially if you are doing very regular deposits it can become a PITA for a relatively tiny difference in fees (eg if you deposit $500/fortnight the difference in FX fees is about $3 per transaction, so just don't buy that bag of chips and save yourself the hassle of using Transferwise + foreign based company IMO - and this is coming from someone who even changes power and ISP companies every year chasing better deals!). Once you want to withdraw money, Hatch is obviously cheaper at 0.5% (edit: despite the $8 withdrawal fee) compared to 1% with Stake (and they have a $2 withdrawl fee that will be pretty negligible if you have a lot of money invested). Hatch will do an off-market transfer of US shares so best strategy might be using Stake for deposits and Hatch for withdrawals. Another benefit to Hatch is that they are Kiwi owned so I think more likely to be accessible in terms of Tax and customer support than an Aussie based company (Stake). Lastly with Hatch, if a company is less than $400/share then you should buy a series of Fractional share bids unless you are buying more than 2.66 share units, above that the $8 broker fee is better. Edit: I had a user complaining about the withdrawal fee of $8 through Hatch. This is true if you are regularly buying and selling shares. Typical advice given here is directed to buy and hold strategies (so you only get stung once for a withdrawal after X number of years), if you want day trading advice there are other subs for that. See my comment here.
Hi all, Background For a while now I have been looking into Forex trading compared to other markets for the following reasons:
I am still in high school, so I do not have a lot of time to spend looking at markets.
I don't have a lot of capital - probably just looking to hit minimum for a brokerage.
I want to be able to get in and out of a trade quickly, so that trades are not hanging over me when I'm trying to study.
Forex to me seems to be the best option, and I can primarily focus on technical indications (not discounting fundamentals of course). I most likely will only have around 1-2 hours a day to trade + weekends. Looking to trade on 5 min - 30 min time scale, and some longer term trades, holding for a few weeks. Living in NZ, there are not many solid online Forex brokers, and what seems to be the best one here (CMC markets) appears to have issues with stops not being filled, and other fundamental issues with their platform. Low cost, good software and professionalism is what I'm looking for. Will paper trade for 3-4 months to establish that I can actually do it, but I want to be able to learn and trade using the platform that I will go live on. Brokerages Looking at the FAQ here, and browsing the web, Interactive Brokers seems to be the most professional and upfront brokerage that I have seen. However, I understand that it is not that easy to learn how to use their software, so the barrier for entry is high. So my question is,
Is Interactive Brokers too hard/too complicated for a beginner? Or are other brokerages better for my needs?
Cost, platform and scaleability (eg News feed additions and more advanced tools) are key points for me. I also like the idea of having one account that I can trade stocks with as well through IB. Not sure how good IB's tutorials are for learning their platform. Sorry for such a long post but, you know, education is everything!
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